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December 01, 2004

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Terri

Interesting. I guess it does all boil down to which way you choose to see things. I would have to call myself a conervative so I see things in that slant. Someone who is a liberal would tend to see the news in a more liberal framework, and based upon that framework, decides how they view everything else as well.
I really wish that someone would create a newspaper, newsnetwork, etc that was truly balanced. That would be a unique thing and would offer a perspective that few of us have ever seen. An honest, fair and unbiased reporting of most news. What a concept! Too bad the likelyhood of it ever happening is somewhere between slim and none.

Peter Konefal

Suffice to say, I am floored by your response.

I didn't expect you to have such a well written, intelligently thought and cohesively structured response as what you wrote (my expectations have been sadly lowered by many of the blogs out there, so this isn't personal to you).

Have you taken any mass-media, communications or political science classes? Your response is really quite exceptional and in fact, reflects my own views in key ways.

Especially your digression into philosophy and questions of 'truth'. I hate to say this, but the vast majority of the blogosphere would not make the connections you just did.

I absolutely agree with you about the risk of niches of ideological purity, as well as your political economic criticism of the market as necessarily attempting to broach broud constituencies of political belief in an attempt to build audiences (and of the deleterious consequences of this trend).

I also agree that we need as a society, to engage in a broader debate: "it may actually be the only solution"

Great work! and I invite you to check out my site (I've listed you as one of my typelists...)

Peter Konefal

You guys might want to read this - an interesting article by an economist, tom velk about bush's visit to canada, and bush's stance on iran, terror.

I vehemently disagree with him, but its still worth reading.

Peter Konefal

You guys might want to read this - an interesting article by an economist, tom velk about bush's visit to canada, and bush's stance on iran, terror.

I vehemently disagree with him, but its still worth reading.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/continentaldivide/velk041201.html

tom velk

Thanks for your interest in one of my essays. Here is something you might like, even though it is a bit academic for my regular sources. tom

The War and Big Nurse

Let's get beyond current headlines about Canada's lagging growth numbers, continuing productivity problems, federal/provincial money/flag squabbles and small (relative to other nation's) currency gains against the troubled US dollar. You are right to think these are signs that high taxes, subsidized inefficiency and regulatory overburden cost us plenty. But something more important ought to worry us. It's the constant presence of Big Nurse. ( Rent a copy of "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's nest" if you don't remember her),

The West is now in the midst of a great war. The fight will range over the entire globe, challenge our belief in our selves and our civilization, and threaten our grandchildren's peace and security. The enemy is quite insane, believing God has ordered him to rid the earth of us. Where he rules, women are beheaded, children make themselves into human bombs and men are either beasts or masters. But I do not warn of the external danger he presents, since it is clear enough. We will defeat the madmen if we first win the domestic struggle between our better and worse selves. I believe our better selves are endowed with natural self-reliance and the independent dignity needed to accept the consequences of our own actions. Our worse selves willingly sacrifice these adult virtues in trade for the protected life of a political nursery. I fear the despotism of Big Nurse whose presence allows our worse selves to thrive. She may so weaken us we will lack the courage to defend our civilization. It is a danger faced not only by Canada, but also by all democracies that are tempted by the idea of the benevolent State. Big nurse has been a problem for a long time.

Cato the Younger, accompanied by a few hundred of Rome's last defenders of the Senate and surrounded in Utica by Caesar and his 10,000 legionnaires, fell on his sword rather than give up the fight. His grief-stricken son revived him and told him that Caesar would forgive the republicans if only they surrendered. The disappointed father said he would not give the General the perverted honor of pardoning him, Cato, for the sin of defending Rome against the usurper of her freedom. Cato then ripped open his wound, and died. It's a story every schoolboy used to know.

Maybe one reason they don't know it any more is found in the details of Caesar's politics. He wasn't a simple tyrant, who frightened and oppressed Rome's mob, forcing them to accept his rule. He assuredly was no lunatic who imagined he took murderous orders from a bigoted God. Quite the contrary. He wanted power, and he knew how to buy it. He invented Big Nurse. He seduced the shortsighted Roman majority with veteran's bonuses, public housing, circuses, parades and a "free" corn ration. But like a pact with Satan, the price was Rome's soul. And once the fateful contract was signed, the people of the Empire ever afterward lived like children in the care of a sequence of evil parents, who never refused toys or nourishment, provided their charges never asked for independent adulthood. Cato understood the true nature of the pact, warned against it, warred against its author, only to be defeated by human cupidity - not Caesar's army.

After Cato, Rome appeared to prosper. She gave law, language and civil order to the conquered barbarians. But tax collectors, centurions and census takers became part of Everyman's life. We still live with the consequences. The almighty will of a distant emperor empowered the paranoid fears of an otherwise unimportant Governor of Judea.

Anticipating the advent of the welfare state, De Tocqueville wrote: "Above this race of (our worse selves) stands an immense and tutelary power, which takes upon itself alone to secure their gratifications and to watch over their fate. That power is absolute, minute, regular, provident, and mild. It would be like the authority of a parent if, like that authority, its object was to prepare men for manhood; but it seeks, on the contrary, to keep them in perpetual childhood: it is well content that the people should rejoice, provided they think of nothing but rejoicing. For their happiness such a government willingly labors, but it chooses to be the sole agent and the only arbiter of that happiness; it provides for their security, foresees and supplies their necessities, facilitates their pleasures, manages their principal concerns, directs their industry, regulates the descent of property, and subdivides their inheritances: what remains, but to spare them all the care of thinking and all the trouble of living? … it circumscribes the will within a narrower range and gradually robs a man of all the uses of himself. The principle of equality has prepared men for these things; it has predisposed men to endure them and often to look on them as benefits. … It covers the surface of society with a network of small complicated rules, minute and uniform, through which the most original minds and the most energetic characters cannot penetrate, to rise above the crowd. The will of man is not shattered, but softened, bent, and guided; men are seldom forced by it to act, but they are constantly restrained from acting. Such a power does not destroy, but it prevents existence; it does not tyrannize, but it compresses, enervates, extinguishes, and stupefies a people, till each nation is reduced to nothing better than a flock of timid and industrious animals, of which the government is the shepherd."

Our worse selves demand more and more from Big Nurse. They are aggrieved if it isn't forthcoming, and they are resentful when asked to pay the taxes and accept the regulatory limits imposed by Big Nurse. These angry, immature, dependent sheep are not the warriors our civilization needs to fight its external war.

Tocqueville thought our better selves, informed by a free press, nurtured by voluntary associations, and instructed by a practical education so as to better find useful employment, have a chance to win the struggle against Big Nurse. Let's hope the added incentive provided by the external threat will tip the balance in favor of our long run survival.

Peter Konefal

Its not every day a famous economist from McGill university decides to post on one's humble blog. Thanks for the post tom!

Peter Konefal

Interesting argument also...its going to take me some time to digest the implications and come up with a response. I think tom is taking the right wing view that the welfare state has pernicious affects on the individuals freedom, and on his/her will to be ambitious and succesful. Accustomed to 'hand outs' and a secured, regulated existence, the individual is deprived of an otherwise significant will to personal improvement and achievement.

And then, on the left side of things, people argue that the welfare state has no correlative affect on an individual's success or ambition, and merely helps to shield the socially and economically depressed (disabled, elderly, single mothers, the destitute) from the consequences of laissez faire capitalism. They point to the example of the relatively succesful scandinavian countries as an example of states with huge amounts (comparitively) of public expenditure as a percentage of GDP (64% in Sweden I believe), as compared to (from recolletion, so might be innacurate) 34% approximately, for the US.

Nevertheless, Velk makes a compelling argument, and I haven't captured all the nuances in my response. In any case, this debate rages up in Canada, since that government is decidedly more liberal and tends more towards the welfare-state side of things as compared to the US.

Mahatma

Umm...just wow.

I'm still thinking through the points eraised in the essay.

One of the problems I am currently having is spending the time some of the comments and issues deserve. The choice is either dash off inferior commentary or remain silent. I have chosen silence.

Other writing projects are taking up my time right now, but I am working on a post regarding 'Liberal and Conservatives Playing Gotcha Politics'.

Mahatma

Wonderful Comments:

This is how I am mentally wrestling with the welfare state...

Rome may be one extreme, but how about an example of a state without any safety net...say England during the Industrial Revolution? Not a very nice place.

Yes we are arguing extremes but where does a welfare state cross the line? Clearly there needs to be some elements of a Big Nurse in society to protect the helpless. Personally I think the safety net partially prevents the total Darwinian nature of natural man from running our society.

That said if we open the door to some elements of the Big Nurse, do we liberate our worse selves and make inevitable the destruction of our human will?

"Our worse selves demand more and more from Big Nurse. They are aggrieved if it isn't forthcoming, and they are resentful when asked to pay the taxes and accept the regulatory limits imposed by Big Nurse."

This is an uncomfortable thought...If we have any safety net do we cause, through the creeping growth of socialism, the reduction of society to a bunch of weak willed sheep?

That may be a stretch too far for me, but I would be delighted to hear why I am wrong. When is some social welfare too much social welfare?

Peter Konefal

Man, this guy is eloquent. His criticism of Fox news is hilarious. You did mention that "even Fox news" can become wobbly and bend the truth a little bit. This peice just takes that much-deserved admission a bit further :)

Peter Konefal

Man, this guy is eloquent. His criticism of Fox news is hilarious. You did mention that "even Fox news" can become wobbly and bend the truth a little bit. This peice just takes that much-deserved admission a bit further :)

http://iheartmaynard.blogspot.com/

Matt Hurley

I think that guy could use a properly applied cluebat to the head, but your mileage may vary...

His anti-Christian rants are vile and disgusting.

I didn't think Canadians got FOX News? I know that they get al-Jihad, but I thought FNC was too "controversial" for the delicate Canadian audience or somesuch nonsense.

Yeah, I wasn't amused by this guy's "fair and balanced" look at FOX News...I'd say more, but we've beat this dead horse so much that even I'm starting to think about calling PETA...

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