This is an excerpt from one of the Washington Post news reports...I should probably put that in quotes...'news reports':
"Debate in Washington over when to bring troops home turned bitter last week after decorated Vietnam War vet Rep. John Murtha, D-Pa., called for an immediate withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq, and estimated a pullout could be complete within six months. Republicans rejected Murtha's position. (emphasis added)"
Republicans actually put it up for a vote...see here. It was rejected. That much is true. Do you think the Washington Post is going to tell you the truth? Oh simple reader...not on your life!
This was not a serious proposal...it was really just a Democratic Party publicity stunt. It seems lately that this is the only thing the Democrats appear to do...engage in publicity stunts. They are aided by the media who refuse to tell the truth about these silly childish stunts. If the Democrats actually had a serious proposal for Iraq it deserves coverage and discussion...sadly they have none. Not a single one. Nada...nothing...at...all.
A party of spineless simpletons. Where is the party leadership?
Why am I certain, you may ask, that this was just a publicity stunt? Guess what the vote in the House of Representatives was? Go ahead guess...
403 - 3 That is correct...403 members of the House of Representatives voted against the immediate withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq. Only three members voted in favor of this resolution. The Democrats were actually mad that the Republican leadership said "OK...if you want to immediately withdraw U.S. troops...VOTE ON IT." Thus caught in their own publicity stunt, Democratic lawmakers were angry that they had to either go on record as supporting such a horrendous violation of the public trust or they had to vote down their own publicity stunt.
Now how should that be characterized in a news report? Was this a serious proposal? Of course not! The Washington Post could have written:
"The Democrats tried another variation of their regular anti-war publicity stunts and they got called out and had to publicly acknowledge that immediate troop withdrawal from Iraq is not such a swell idea. It seems that more than just Republicans rejected Murtha's position, the measure failed 403 to 3.
But what of the Democratic Representative who proposed immediate troop withdrawal in his well televised publicity seeking news conference? Surely he voted for this proposal...right? Umm...No...Representative Murtha voted against this proposal. No one really thinks immediate troop withdrawal is such a great idea...they just want to politically whine about it to their media toadies in news conferences.
Thanks for helping to expose the shameful, dishonest tactics of the democrats and the liberal press. Unfortunately many people will shrug off their deceitful practices as all part of the game, not recognizing it for the evil, dangerous propaganda that it really is.
Posted by: Carol | November 23, 2005 at 07:41 AM
Yes. This exposure has been trully enlightening. Now I really understand what's happening in American politics.
Let me get this straight. The Democrats are "politically whining" with various "stunts" and other assorted activities. The Republicans are not guilty of deceipt and stunt-tactices as are the Democrats. The only motion and trend worthy of examining in this previous week as a gauge of opinion on the war is this one vote. And...the liberal press, including the Washington post, is guilty of "lies"!
This is the kind of quality opinion that really helps me understand what, exactly, is going on in the world.
Thank you & thank you.
Posted by: Peter | November 23, 2005 at 09:48 PM
Peter,
Why don't you explain to us why Murtha would call for an immediate withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq, then vote against his own proposal when it was put up for a vote?
Posted by: Carol | November 25, 2005 at 12:52 PM
Carol:
In many ways I understand the frustration that Peter is feeling since he truly believes that the U.S. should immediately withdraw troops from Iraq. I believe he is wrong, but he is at least completely honest about his beliefs. Many of his fellow travelers in the Democratic Party are not nearly as honest...nor are their media allies. They do not actually believe what they are writing, they are merely writing and speaking for the purpose of disruption and petty political gain. It is rather shameful.
That said, many of the conservatives and libertarians (which I think safely classifies my political beliefs) are feeling much the same regarding the antics of the Administration and Congress as it regards to spending and fiscal restraint. In summary I feel as though neither party is being terribly truthful.
That fact doesn't surprise me, what I find irritating and bothersome is the media portrayal appears to be SO slanted as to be embarassing. It should not be this easy to identify and criticize bias. If I had time I could identify, document and publish liberal media bias all day long with hundreds of examples.
This is not surprising to me either, the current crop of media reporters are little more than sixties radicals who grew up with the bias. They are the antithesis of what they endured from the media bosses they replaced. The corruption and ineptitude of the Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson and Nixon administrations was the backdrop against which they railed. The military WAS lying to the public, the Kennedy, Johnson and Nixon administrations WERE corrupt. It seems to me these 'one-trick-ponies' are obsolete...just as obsolete and stubborn as some of the old media they replaced in the early 70's. The parties over for them and they are still looking for another Watergate to prove it ain't so.
Posted by: Mahatma | November 28, 2005 at 06:11 AM
Mahatma,
Thanks for your response.
It’s not a question of whether Peter is right or wrong (or whether you or I are right or wrong), it’s a question of whether we are even having an honest and appropriate debate. On the issue of Iraq and so many other issues, clearly we are not. Your column provided just one more example of why this is so.
I hope my rhetoric, though it’s strong, is not misunderstood. I don’t believe that all conservatives are angels and all liberals are disciples of the devil. I share the frustrations of many conservative over spending and border control, among other issues. But at this time I do not see, on the conservative side, the broad pattern and growing acceptance of using deceitful propaganda as the primary means of advancing a political agenda.
Posted by: Carol | November 28, 2005 at 11:10 AM
I think I can understand the growing frustration many are having about how long the troops have been away. I know the people left behind pray daily for their safe return and some come back and some do not. We have been over there for a l ong time but until the job is done we need to remain there. I don't know of any other way that the job will get done. If the troops come home to placate the democrats what actual good will have been accomplished? I think that the democrats are lookning for a way to make people angry, upset with the president and ready for change in 2008. They will use any trick or tactic no matter how sneaky, dishonest or in some cases practically illegal to make themselves and their presidential canidates look better than anything that any other party has to offer.
Why don't they just give up now?
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